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The first was an anti-suicide attempt, but I've since grown a lot with respect to my understanding of tulpas, and the rest of them were mostly made in the vein of discovery and development.

My original motivation was to have someone that I could show my love to

Self-improvement over here

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Curiosity on my part, fascination with the concept that doing something like tulpamancy was even possible.

Curiosity, loneliness, friendship

I was curious and felt like I was missing out on something interesting.

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And also, I had been talking to myself a lot anyway, so why not?

Hah

somewhat interesting reddit thread (edited)

12:45 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/8mjx21/we_shouldnt_be_doing_this_tulpamancy_is_immoral/

r/Tulpas - We shouldn't be doing this. Tulpamancy is immoral.

6 votes and 16 so far on reddit

Mm. It seems silly to me. My beliefs of not being seperate negates that, but even so, I would disagree.

The responses are quite similar to my thoughts on the matter.

12:49 AM

Preventing that kind of power dynamic is reason enough to think ahead and be prepared for the responsibility. If somebody is not willing to allow their tulpa to use the body in the future should they desire to, they should not make a tulpa.

I guess it is best said that it is risky, rather than inherently immoral. I definitely don't think it is immoral for all people, and I think lots of tulpa live happily and the person who engaged with tulpamancy is healthier overall as a result. There is also something to be said with playing with fire, giving to people a concept freely that can and will manifest in different systems in different people, often ones which are negative like this person is reporting. Even if tulpamancy isn't inherently immoral, it may well be for some individuals, and we don't have a sure-fire way of knowing if that's the case ahead of time.

it seems as though the poster assumes that most hosts intend never to allow their tulpa to possess or switch, as a lot of the points made are that tulpas are not treated fairly or equally

I would agree that it depends on the person. There are also a fair number of things a tulpa can do to make your life uncomfortable should you try to ignore/suppress them (edited)

At the very least... Generally speaking, treating a tulpa with the kindness and respect that another person close in your life is due should make this negative relationship quite unlikely.

12:57 AM

That kindness and respect should naturally lead to an equal relationship, as a tulpa and host are not different types of being.

aye

I really do wonder if it is correct to consider a fundamental difference specifically in the cases where the host identifies with their physical body.

I think it ignores a lot of the way tulpas practically work to say that they are equal in standing to the host by default (edited)

How do you guys visualize, not including imposition/lucid dreaming? Does it feel like an image/memory pops into you head or do you close your eyes and re-construct the colorful light specs?

Depends. It can help to have real world references

I'm just... the worst at visualization

@Gray I can visualize eyes open but it's way clearer when I close my eyes and focus

@9 Mil + Ika I have the same experience

3:45 AM

I find that starting at Ranger is really hard to do, which makes things harder

like eyes open it's like recalling a vivid memory....eyes closed it's almost like a lucid dream, but without any input from the environment

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for instance, there's no smell or taste, there's no ambient sound

yeah

I see, and I only feel what I'm directly interacting with

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no other real senses

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also, I have problems trying to walk

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so I end up teleporting even just a few steps

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my DW is a series of stop-motion frames

DW?

dream world, an alternate term for wonderland I guess

My visualization of Ranger can be choppy. He will move about, slithering around or whatnot, and it will seem like he's "teleporting" or I'm not keeping well enough track of him.

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If I try to get a good look at his face: sometimes it goes black or blurs out

it's not my Tulpa, Ikari can walk fine

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but I can't simulate walking because headbobs

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I'm so used to headbobbing games but even when I focus on it, I can never tell if my head bobs in real life or not

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so I can't move in anything other than full sprints and teleports in the DW

If I mess around trying to piece together eye-specs and make a metal construct... the images blend and morph a lot but it seems slower and the colors are more vibrant

eye specs?

I'm not used to visualizing like this, but I wanted to know if this was something worth trying out. To me it seems like it would basically train imposition

3:54 AM

When you close your eyes, there's usually all of these light spots floating around. That's what I mean by "eye specs"

....heh there's a term for those

3:54 AM

floaters

floaters are the squiggly things some people see with their eyes open (cuz of something actually inside of their eyes), completely different from the light spots one sees with one's eyes closed

oh with eyes closed, you mean hypnagogic imagery

3:57 AM

I've never actually seen that

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I hear so many people talk about it but I can never say I've ever seen those

Have you ever stared at something bright for awhile and then looked away?

well yeah but retinal burn is a different phenomenon (edited)

The "eye specs" are similar to retinal burn spots, but without the prior burn

I know, but I've never actually seen hypnagogia in any form

it's common to see hypnagogia while falling asleep, you've probably seen it but failed to remember it upon waking up

no I focus really hard

4:01 AM

if I'd ever seen it, I'd know

It's not hypnagogia. Making an image out of the "eye specs" is like looking at the clouds and seeing a face or a bunny.

I don't see it...I'm one of those people who lays in bed for 45 minutes and at some point randomly falls asleep

you focus really hard when you're conscious, but you can't guarantee such habits to persist while you're barely awake

.....I don't know what to say though

4:03 AM

I do WBTB stuff and I don't even see it

I have tried lucid dreaming. It never worked out for me. That's a completely different thing. Here's a better example: Sometimes you can look at a squiggle on paper or some sand and see different shapes in the sand or the head of an animal on the squiggle. That's not hallucinating or anything, but that's essentially what I'm doing with the "eye specs". The specs are just like the random dots in the sand and my brain tries to find a pattern and make a mental picture out of it.

ummmm.....If I see a squiggle on paper, I see a squiggle on paper

4:07 AM

I can't say I've ever seen a squiggle come to life, so to speak

Here's an example. There's a game where you can start with a squiggle and add onto it...

what is this supposed to be

It can be whatever you want it to be

it looks like a random line

For example, it might be a bird wing...

4:14 AM

...it could also be a shark fin...

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...or part of an ocean

If I focus really hard it kinda looks like a reversed AK disconnector......

4:15 AM

but not really

it's an excercise in creativity

...I don't understand though

Yeah I see what you mean

like I understand the concept but it doesn't mean anything to me

the point is to look at the line and imagine something it could be a part of

how do I imagine something?

wut

I start with things and break them down

4:16 AM

how do you create something from nothing?

then work backwards. you made a wonderland didn't you?

this looks like the squiggle

yeah

then how are you confused?

4:17 AM

you made something from nothing there

no, I started with something

you had black space, and you made the wonderland there

I started with a pre-existing map and modified it a little bit

4:18 AM

every part of my wonderland is incorporated from things I've seen

that's how everyone's wonderland works...

so was the bird, shark, and ocean CatSG made

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from things they'd seen, and tacked on to the line

yup. My 5 sec art has a derpy rating of 10/10